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05 Jul 2008 8:52 PM  

Mr. Honary, I would love to hear your opinion about apropriately mixing up your strategy when playing with people you are familiar with and play with frequently or even an article about changing your general strategy from game to game to keep familiar opponents on their toes.  I have a much better time playing with people I don't know (online or a mixed group of friends and strangers in real life) than with my core of friends that play often.  My success rate is much higher online and am wondering if you have tips that I could apply diplomatically or psychologically to gain an upper hand.  My friends tend to go after the winner of the last game straight away, which can be accepted to a degree, but they also recognize me as a very good player as they know I play more frequently than all of them.  One thing I have tried recently is trying to be neutral and talking a lot less than I normally do, as I think I can sometimes annoy people by talking too much (they sometimes realize that I am influencing the game with my many subtle talking points).  Is there a starting point on the board that I can aim for (in territory grab or random starting location in a 5-6 player game) to minimize my losses early in the game but still putting myself in good position to be a late player?  Thanks for any input any of you have.  :D

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06 Jul 2008 1:04 AM  
I agree,Ehsan Hosary wrote many excellent strategic article.Every Risk newble is largely benefited by his words.He is even deeply influenced by the Chinese strategic masterpiece --- Sun Tze,which is my favourite strategic book.He also watcher a lot of book about military,diplomacy,strategy and so on....He is just so excellent.

But his theory maybe too complicated.If you want some simple article,then you may try to watch my article(I have written many articles before).Recently my essay adopted the "Battle Report" style,using the real battle as an example.It is really better than just talking a lot without any example.
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06 Jul 2008 2:39 AM  
Pxer, Thanks for your comments. You are quite right. Playing with people you already know is far more challenging since there is a strong history between you and many parameters may influence the game as it progresses.

My experience is also similar. When playing with people I know, I have to make sure I don't try too hard to win. It can easily backfire since everyone immediately becomes hostile, consciously or unconsciously, and of course if everyone is against you, then you have got no chance.

In extreme cases, when you already know you are a target (say because you won the last three games) you may need to start from isolated locations to minimise the required initial diplomacy. All of this is really psychological and as you know well, your success highly depends on how you manage other players psychologically.

The problem is the level of neutrality. Not being able to talk too much may rub you from a great tool you usually used in games, so it means you may have to focus more on brute force with it's associated random consequences. This is probably why many people insist on starting from Australia so then they can have a peaceful starting game. This may be the solution, but as we know Australia can also be very limiting. Similar situation applies to other type of maps. What do you think?

In any case, the topic certainly deserves more consideration and would be nice to explore it more based on the type and the history of players you are going to lay against.

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06 Jul 2008 3:37 AM  
Thanks Alan for your comments. I really appreciate your support. Glad to be of any help.

Sun Tzu is indeed a great source. Are you familiar with other works in that class? I noticed that you used his comments a lot and so I thought you may know other sources as well.

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08 Jul 2008 6:38 PM  
Posted By Ehsan Honary on 06 Jul 2008 2:39 AM
Pxer, Thanks for your comments. You are quite right. Playing with people you already know is far more challenging since there is a strong history between you and many parameters may influence the game as it progresses.

My experience is also similar. When playing with people I know, I have to make sure I don't try too hard to win. It can easily backfire since everyone immediately becomes hostile, consciously or unconsciously, and of course if everyone is against you, then you have got no chance.

In extreme cases, when you already know you are a target (say because you won the last three games) you may need to start from isolated locations to minimise the required initial diplomacy. All of this is really psychological and as you know well, your success highly depends on how you manage other players psychologically.

The problem is the level of neutrality. Not being able to talk too much may rub you from a great tool you usually used in games, so it means you may have to focus more on brute force with it's associated random consequences. This is probably why many people insist on starting from Australia so then they can have a peaceful starting game. This may be the solution, but as we know Australia can also be very limiting. Similar situation applies to other type of maps. What do you think?

In any case, the topic certainly deserves more consideration and would be nice to explore it more based on the type and the history of players you are going to lay against.



My friends and I played a 5-player game last night and I decided to try a different strategy with Europe as my focus while maintaining a presence in the well-divided Africa, but steering clear of North Africa as one player took SA early.  The results were greater than I hoped.  After cashing in my cards initially, I fortified eastern Africa and simply discouraged others from attacking me, which kept them from ganging up on me as they mostly had their own problems to deal with.

With three players in Africa, I was able to eventually power my way through Europe unexpectedly without having to worry about pressure from the NA continent as it was not much of a battleground yet.  I successfully held Europe while trying to draw attention to the warring players in Africa and managed to win the game quite handedly, facing the weak Australian-based player in the end.  I really tried to flex my muscles by bulking up my armies on crucial fronts and it seems like this strategy worked.

Sometimes I slyly hide away to discourage attack upon my armies, but it seems as though bulking up my armies can have the same effect depending on the starting location.  It's tough sometimes to not try for Africa, Australia, or SA to gain an early advantage but perserverence definitely paid off as I lost very few armies while the battles raged around me.  I also tried to focus my psychological power on getting other players to talk with each other, especially the ones warring in Africa as I felt they got annoyed at each other early and I could get them even more frustrated by talking about their inability to dominate that continent.  By deflecting much of my speech and then sitting back and listening to them bicker was a definite advantage that helped me take Europe with ease.

I did have a little luck as there was no threat in NA to northern Europe, because if there was, things would have been a little difficult holding off the three major European fronts as Australia had expanded into Asia, but I plan to apply a similar strategy soon online.

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09 Jul 2008 8:06 AM  
It seems that you are getting the hang of this ;-)

Just one tip. Pretend to them that you seem to be unlucky every time you play with them because you end up with no continent and you are 'forced' to flee and kind of try to stay in the game by any means and on the margins.

Your aim is to make them leave you alone in future games not thinking that you have found a winning strategy that they need to deal with. After your fifth win they will probably realise what's going on, but at least you have won 5 times! In essence, you just don't want to boast about it. This is difficult, because there is a lot of satisfaction in saying "I am the King", when you play with friends. :-)

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09 Jul 2008 2:15 PM  

LOL

I like that plan, but I do not know what I will take more satisfaction in:

 

  • Winning an ultra-high % of games against my friends.
  • Or winning maybe half of the time, but rubbing it in when I defeat them.

=)  I think I will take more enjoyment in winning the most games possible, as it shows my psychological and strategic tactics are improving.

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10 Jul 2008 12:44 AM  
Haha, that's good. It means you are very results-oriented and don't necessarily want the credit for it! Which means you would be a formidable Risk player. Interestingly the same principle works in real life too.

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08 Sep 2008 5:09 AM  
Most satisfying for me is when I get to beat my cousins. That can only happen when I am playing them with a proper Risk set either at our place or theirs. There is simply so much fun to play with people you know so well and you can play with them over and over again. Online is just different. Most of the time you may not care about the other person and its difficult to establish the human contact the way you do when you are face to face. Having a chat, talking about stuff, invading every now and then and drinking bear and crisps is just irreplaceable. Gone are the days ...
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