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puzl bustrUser is Offline


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23 Nov 2012 11:58 AM  

E is the total number of enemy armies and T is the total number of enemy territories as usual. The formula is:

F =  E +4 - 2/3 T + 1/9 T + 1/27 T + ...

Any fractional value is rounded up. To explain the formula, note that with three dice versus two there are three possible results which are roughly equally likely, so the average expectation is both sides losing one man in one such battle. There will be E - T such battles on average, assuming the attacker always has enough men for three dice, which is why the factor 4 appears as the minimum to use three dice against one enemy. Then there will be roughly T battles with three dice against one for the remaining singleton armies. Roughly 2/3 of these the attacker wins, otherwise the attacker loses one man and has to repeat the battle. Then -T + 1/3 T is -2/3 T. The ellipsis is because of the repeated battles, going down by 1/3 each time.

Obviously, you only need the ellipsis terms for the larger battles. This is only roughly correct because the probabilities are slightly more in favour of the attacker with three v two dice, but that builds in a safety margin.

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27 Nov 2012 7:41 AM  
This formula is really a minimum. For more built-in margin for bad luck, and to make it easier to calculate, I add T to the formula so there's no subtraction.
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02 Dec 2012 7:48 AM  

Thanks for the formula Puzl Buster 

 
But I am afraid on first examination it doesn't seem to be correct. 
Lets use a simple example. Suppose your enemy has 10 territories (T=10) and has one army in each (E=10). The question is how many armies to use to attack the enemy so you can "safely" capture all those 10 territories. 
 
Using your formula we can put 10 for T and 10 for E:
F = 10 + 4 - 10* 2/3 + 10 * 1/9 + 10* 1/27 + ...  
F approaches about 9 with this. Obviously this is not enough. You would always need at least 10 armies because when you capture the 10 territories you need to place at least one in each. 
 
But it's a good start. Have a look to see if you can improve it. 
 
Also look at the survey on ratio of attack as this question was asked from Risk players and they have voted for a particular estimate. Best estimate so far is 
F= 1.5E + T 
 
 
 
 
 

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04 Jul 2013 1:33 AM  
We'd need a supercomputer to get a precise ratio, but i usually go with 5/3E+T
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