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06 Mar 2008 4:41 PM  

This strategy are a list of goals that need to be accomplished throughout the whole game

SETUP

Take Argentina

Take a half of Africa (preferably) south

Take Northern Asia

Reinforce Africa and make it seem like it is your main focus

Then with the last handful of troops put them on Argentina

Gameplay

Put reinforcements on Argentina if under 6 and put the rest in Africa

Use troops in Argentina to take South America quickly

Put reinforcements in Africa

Take Africa quickly

Defend both continents fiercely

Add reinforcements to North Asia

Once very strong in North Asia move through Asia gradually

Take Siam (probably defending Austrailia strongly)

If austrailia is strong organize peace deal If it is weak destroy it

Move into europe from Africa and Asia take Europe gradually

After Europe is taken move into America on three fronts

Win

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07 Mar 2008 12:22 AM  
Interesting way to put up a strategy. Sounds good if it all goes according to plan. But what if it doesn't while you are engaged with Australia, NA or Europe can attack your Africa and SA. what then. Sounds like an initial strategy, but in Risk you never end up winning with your original plan. You need to constantly change it based on other players moves.

Good try, but I am afraid in needs lots of alternate plans.
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07 Mar 2008 7:54 AM  
Thanks for the suggesting the strategy. It looks rational but as Dan put it, you need to have lots of Plan B's to get by. Perhaps you can give us many branches of actions depending on each possibility. Like, if Australia attacked me, I will get back to defend Africa and then SA.

Of course these kind of possibilities are too numerous to go through them exhaustively so as you go through them you may realise that the combinations are exponential. In any case, an effort may open up areas that have not been covered before.

Personally I like the last part: Win ;-)

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07 Mar 2008 7:59 AM  
Sound like the good strategic plan.But in the real game,the situation is changed continuously,I don't think you can implement this plan as you imagine.Thus the solid plan without inflexibility is impossible.Even initially you set up the excellent plan,you probably need to change depend on the situation.

Otto Von Bismarck was the greatest diplomats of Germany in late 19th century.But the historian A.J.P Taylor said,'(Bismarck is)The flawed leader with little control of events'.Even the best strategist in the world couldn't control everything.So how to create the benefical situation is completely depend on the occasion,not one grand strategy.
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10 Mar 2008 8:46 PM  

Well i figured the worst possible scenario is to end up with just argentina and lose all of africa. Or to lose argentina and only have one or two african nations and both situations you should be able to build up and take at least one continent. And after that youll be able to take the other eventualy since they are adjacent. Northern Asia i would consider optional.

(the plan also banks on to people focusing on austrailia which usually happens with the people i play with)

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29 Apr 2008 3:43 PM  

     Well, I must say it is quite an interesting strategy. I pretty much agree with what everyone else is saying about this strategy. Too much could really go wrong with a "concrete formed" strategy like the one that you have proposed.
     The main flaw that I see though is the fact that you have successfully divided and conquered yourself. At the beginning of the game, you will not receive enough armies to "defend these continents fiercely" while still increasing your force in Asia. A strong force in North America knocking at your South American door is enough to occupy a large sum of your incoming troops.
     I do think that this could develop into a good strategy if you knew that you would be playing against very, very passive Australia-huggers and you didn't mind playing a long game (I think that this strategy is relying [maybe a little too much] on a mass of incoming troops to be able to advance). If even one person at the table was a fellow North America lover like myself, he/she could really cause some problems.
Overall, I think that this could be a solid strategy with the right diplomacy and a little luck from the dice. Good luck with it and I hope it serves you well.

~G.I. Joe~

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29 Apr 2008 3:45 PM  

     Well, I've been thinking about your strategy...

     I think that my newest concern is the fact that North America is to be attacked last. North America (late in the game) is a really big power continent. By that I mean someone has probably established it as their main base. From my experiences, a player fighting out of North America will take an aggressive stance early on and expand into North America's southern counterpart, thus leaving you with a constant demand for resources in South America. By not launching a preemptive strike, you could end up losing all of your Southwestern control.

     As for my ideas for improvement, I would hold a steady position in Asia, as it is most likely not heavily contested, and save this front for a future attack on the Eastern world. My first priority after securing Africa and South America would be to unite your two bases by a careful onslaught of attacks on North America. Once North America is yours, you will have effectively reduced your border territories from five to four. Next, I would target Europe or Africa followed by which ever one of those two was left. Finally, I would end by sweeping through any remaining Asian territories and finish off the player in Australia.

     I would like to note the fact that I may seem slightly hypocritical, as what I have said about waiting to attack North America can also be said for attacking Australia last.. My reasoning leads me to attack North America first because the player there can cause direct harm to your game from the very beginning. With this player's army minimized or completely destroyed, the rest of your campaign should go much smoother.

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01 May 2008 12:37 PM  
Thanks GIJoe for your post. However, I am a bit confused as what your startegy is. Your two posts almost contradict each other now, as you mentioned yourself.

Naturally smaller continents are better. However the suggested strategy raises three issues
1. It is a good idea to have a detailed plan like the one suggested
2. Is it a good idea to have divided armies, say one lot around South America and another lot around North Asia
3. Where should you start from; small continents or isolated places or simply target your position so that you can expand to large continents later on (i.e. not to be in Australia)

So, now tell us what do you think about these area, especially in regard with the above strategy. Eager to know.

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01 May 2008 3:54 PM  

Sorry about the confusion. I was kind of thinking out loud and as you saw, I'm not always the clearest of thinkers. In regard to your 3 questions, my opinion is as follows.
1. Having a plan like the one stated above is much better than having no plan at all. Before the game, I always try to come up with my general starting location, my expansion strategy (continent or territory based), and the general order of continents to be attacked. Anything else is very suseptable to change. The problem with the suggested strategy is that it is already determining where your reinforcements will be placed. Other than that, the step-by-step plan isn't too bad.

2. This is where my main concern is. I feel that trying to have two different starting spots will lead you to trouble early on. Near the startup of the game, I don't think that you will have enough armies coming in to be able to use both fronts as attacking ground. I think that forgetting the base in Asia and fighting from just South America and Africa would be a good strategy.

3. I prefer starting out of North America in almost any game I play; I do almost everything I can to avoid fighting out of Australia. In regard to the strategy here, other than my aforementioned concern with Asia, I don't see any problem with the starting position of joeb1990.

I hope that clears up my opinion. Again, sorry about the confusion.

~G.I. Joe~

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03 May 2008 6:37 AM  
Yes, that's much more clear now. Generally I agree with you.

You are quite right about dividing armies into two places as well. You ending up having two many borders and become a problem to too many players very early. Which means they will treat you as enemy for the rest of the game.

However, your choice of starting form NA, was a bit unusual. Its a big continent and players usually like to start small. good players will never let you get it much earlier than them and if the number of players in the game is high, like 6, then NA is a really bad choice.

Anyway, one thing we can be sure of. Knowing what you will do in advance 5 turns ahead is an incredibly difficult thing to do, the only possible rational action is to plan for all possibilities.

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